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Guest Micky

I have used Pro for a few weeks now, an it works great! It's the only decent free (not demo/shareware) burn program for winxp I've found. With the promised new features of the upcoming 3.5 it will cover all my needs! :)

However, I wonder why you have chosen to release under a freeware licence? If the program is free anyway, why not make use of the potential advantages of open source?

I have seen others encouraging to go open source in the forums, but no comments from the developers.

Anyways, great work guys, keep it up! :D

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is the lack of open source code related to the spyware topic at all, or are there plans to go commercial?

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yep same guest again, just wanted to say i'm not trying to be rude. cdbxpp seems like really great software, but you know how paranoia is on the net ;) and i can't think of any reason to be free but not open. great smilie here btw :firefox:

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Guest Omnisilver

I agree with guest !

I am paranoiac and i prefer open sources softwares, i know there is no spyware !

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Guest

I agree too.

I think that the combination between a GPL license and a Paypal logo for donations would be great.

Perhaps CdBurnerXP could be for Nero as Firefox is for Internet Explorer: a great software, a great project, a great community to help you grow, a great translation capabilities (for non-english languages), a Linux, and Mac version, etc.

I think in all of this as good things. I cannot find the problem.

Do you think the money is a problem?I don't think so. Volunteer donations are great: with it, you avoid cracks, serials, keygens, etc. A lot of people would pay (me, for example).

And contacting with CD/DVD burner manufacturers you can sell them copies of your software (like Nero does). Most new computer users, use Nero because it comes with their OEM PC's. They don't know that they can use any other software in the market. Your software is so easy to use for beginners.

I also love this icon: :firefox:

:)

Thanks and congratulations for your great job

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Guest marshall

hey i love the prog too (cdburner and deamon tools have replaced allot of bulky corporate progs on my pc)

alot of users (including myself) within open source communities are using and watching the status of the program over here and all of us are woundering the same question

i think that if cdburner went open there would be tons of co-operation and additions from the open-s community

atleast a comment from the devs would be nice

:firefox:

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Guest ZephyrXero

I'm contemplating trying out CDBurnerXP Pro...but I don't trust free (as in price) software that's not open source, b/c it usually equals spyware/adware... If the developers don't plan on selling it for some outrageous price there's no excuse not to open it up. Even if you did want to charge for it, a business model where the core components are open source but a few of the fancier features are reserved for a pay version works quite well tool. I guess I'll check back here again sometime to see if a responce is ever given...

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Do not look to far in to it. There is no adware or spyware on the program.There are alot of programs I use that are freeware but not open source like dvd shrink for backing up dvds he will not even take donations.

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Guest J.K.

Freeware != spyware

Go to SnapFiles and see!

Freewares like CDBurnerXP are already great gifts, why should the authors also give the source? They worked many months on a project... to allow anybody steal the source? Nah, sorry but I don't really like the idea!

A+

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Guest ZephyrXero

Open Source != stealing... Unless the developers plan on selling this software for some outrageous price there is nothing to lose. By releasing the source they guarentee that any improvements anyone else makes are available right back to them... for most people, time and effort are worth alot more than money.

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When I say I do not trust freeware that is not open-source, I mean to say that it's their motives that I have trouble with... When your code is open to the public there's nothing to hide.

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Guest Hinti

I personally would love to see it open-sourc and it maybe helps getting much bigger and a real equivalent to Nero. But I also can developers' motives to hold it freeware.

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Guest Micky

Whoa, seems like I've stirred up some people with this one! :P

I don't think spyware is a problem. Usually it is mentioned in the licence agreement, or you get a dialogue during install if there is adware bundled with a free program. And you know what to do, Just Say No! :D

My intention by brining this up was to get a statement from the developers on why they had chosen the one over the other. Every software website should have one. If you include a licence agreement with your app, you tell the users you have thougt about it. When making a choice, you should also be able to give your reasons. Your app, your choice. I respect that, if you tell us why. :)

Personnaly I think the world would be a slightly better place, and cdbxpp a slightly better app, if you choose to go open source. Especially with the new prog being in .net. It is the probable future of windows, no matter what people might feel about it. :roll: Therefore it is especially valuable for up-and-comming programmers to be able to learn from other peoples code in this language.

peace and love guys, keep working on that 3.5!

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It always amazes me that people insist upon asking whether or not a freeware program will become open source. My answer is this. Who cares?

Generally the reasoning behind asking is that if it's free why not open source. It's really up to the devs and what their future plans are for the program. Sure it would be nice to see an open source version but choosing an existing license or creating a new one in haste may result in more trouble than it's worth.

In regards to ports, why not start working with the developers of existing projects? There are a number of really good programs already out their that could really use your input.

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Guest ZephyrXero

Make sure you don't get "open source" confused with "freeware"... Even pay software can be open sourced (to some extent). There is also an older term called "free software" that open source came from but the 'free' was meant as in "Freedom". When you give your code out to your users, you give them a huge level of freedom they would not have with proprietary software. If the team working on CDBurnerXP stopped working on the project tomorrow it would be dead forever, but if it was open source then it could continue to live on. Not only that, but open source programs tend to have a quicker development time due to the large number of coders and testers working on it. When a program is already free, there is no reason not to open source it, and 99% of the time the same goes for the pay version too. When you buy/use proprietary software it is like buying a car but being told that you're not allowed to change the oil or fix anything yourself. Would you put up with that from a car manufacturer? Then why would you do the same for a software company? When it comes to a tool that everyone needs, like a burning application,web browser or OS, the needs always should outway any proprietary wants...

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As I understand the difference, a freeware program is free to use, but open source also makes available the source code that a freeware program may or may not include. Many of the people (usually younger ones) who insist on open source can't program. If you need a greart functional program like CDBurnerXP Pro and can't write code, you don't need it to be open sourced.

Open source is good when a developer needs or just wants help in creating a program. It's the developer's choice to what he/she wants to make publicly available.

The developer of CDBurnerXP Pro has made a program that Nero CANNOT match on my system. Since Nero costs me money and CDBurnerXP Pro is free, I only have the right to whine about Nero. Quit worring about open source and just enjoy what you already have for free. And especially, quit demanding more from someone who you probably haven't returned a single thing to, yet has already provided you with a lot of hard work.

To the one who dosen't trust freeware: Trust me, CDBurnerXP Pro is a high quality piece of software. Higher quality than the commercial burner software (Nero) I have.

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Guest rickg22

Anyway, I do program in open source (check out http://codeblocks.org/ for one of the programs i'm helping to develop :) ). And from my experience, Open Source is a great way to develop.

To share the story:

The author first started making this all by himself. Then i joined him in Feb '05. Later, with the forums, we've gotten a couple of fans who are now developing plugins. Then someone helped us to fix the unicode stuff.

A cool dude made a plugin to work with help files.

Then some guys began working on a RAD (GUI) editor plugin. Well each one is making his own, but they look good.

Someone then submitted a few patches to fix a couple of bugs related to MSVC compatibility.

And now we have a guy working on CVS plugin.

And I'm like w00t!! :) The number of developers is increasing. We're indeed forming a *programming community* around a project. And it's so wonderful! :) Trust me, a programming community feels so much better than a user community.

Open source is like "The field of dreams": Build it, and they will come. See, one of the problems with closed source is: What happens when you die? Or if you lose the source code? Who will maintain it? :( Take a look at what happened to The Proxomitron. The author died, and had denied to open the source. So it got lost. For good. He took it to his grave.

CD Burner XP Pro is the *ONLY* Freeware application for Windows of comparable quality to Nero - what happens if we lose it?

Linus, for example, created Linux. It's "his" project. When he shared the source, people didn't abuse him. Sure they created different distros, etc. But he's become worldly famous. Also, why do you think Firefox :firefox: was able to become so popular? Because it's open source. Sure, it got great security etc, but that's also because it's open source!

Trust me, you don't have ANYTHING to lose with open source. Au contraire, you win a lot! :)

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I don't know what everyone is on about, someone provides a great program for you, for FREE, doesn't ask for anything in return ( maybe some paypal if you have some spare cash) and you people bitch and moan that you can't have the source code that they have probably spent months or even years on. Get over it, if you are so good at coding approach them and ask to be part of their team. If they need your help with a problem they would ask. It's like this, i'm sitting at home and doing a cross word puzzle and i have a bucnh of kids looking over my shoulder, telling me they want to help me, when i've already done three quarters of the work already, i'd say thanks but no thanks i'm close to finishing it myself........ my two cents

:x

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Guest rickg22

Flo: Maybe I could help, what parts of the program hinder you from opening it? Is it a closed source library?

Is it some plans to sell a "pro" ( $ ) version? If that's the case, well, then we can do nothing about it, it's your program, your time, and whatever you decide to do with it, is your business.

Ekwipt: I don't think of programs as "crossword puzzles", but as "buildings" which need maintenance. Closed source doesn't let anyone do any maintenance, not even frontend painting. Open source, on the other hand...

The problem with closed source is projects that COULD have been ready earlier by opening the source from the beginning, because many people would join the project. In open source, no matter how late you open it, people will cooperate to improve it. Maybe make a linux version, who knows...

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Guest rickg22

Alright! :D

Now, to make it open source you only have to make a *wrapper* around that library, so that the code will just "do nothing" if not using the library. Then it's just matter of posting it to sourceforge, so people will help you in replacing the functionality.

Since you're not releasing the closed source library, there' s no problem :)

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. Then it's just matter of posting it to sourceforge,

Isn't that expensive?

so people will help you in replacing the functionality.

I don't think that those burning libraries can be replaced that easily.

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